'Black Love' Producer Codie Elaine Oliver Weighs In On Viral Dating Debates, Marriage, And Black Love Summit
The Black Love docuseries was first introduced as a way to show positive images of love in the Black community, and it has since expanded to different offerings like blacklove.com, the online series Couch Conversations, and the Black Love Summit. Created by Tommy and Codie Elaine Oliver, the Black Love brand has become one of the more popular brands that share authentic stories about love, relationships, and family while also sparking needed conversations in our community.
Over the weekend, they held their 6th annual Black Love Summit in Atlanta, Georgia, and it featured a variety of people like married couple and content creators Devale and Khadeen Ellis, singer Keri Hilson, and many more. xoNecole caught up with Codie to talk about the brand’s impact, social media’s role in how we show up in relationships, and her marriage to Tommy.
xoNecole: This past weekend was the 6th annual Black Love Summit in Atlanta, GA, and you had a variety of couples, from KJ Smith and Skyh Black, whose wedding recently went viral, to Slutty Vegan founder Pinky Cole and her husband Derrick Hayes. How did you go about choosing the couples for this year?
Codie Elaine Oliver: Well, I want to emphasize too that the Black Love Summit, we really try to focus on all of us and wherever we are. So whether you're single, whether you're dating, married, it is important for us to highlight, you know, married people with partners who are thriving individually and together. But also, you know, there's a lot of single folks on our panels, and we want to make sure that it's like a welcoming environment for all of us.
But as far as choosing the couples, I mean, we work hard to select speakers and talent who are transparent and vulnerable. We love people who, like, actually share candid experiences and stories online or with us. A lot of times, we know them, whether from our interviews with Black Love the docuseries or from our experiences. I say our, like me and Tommy, and so we know what they've been through.
We know the stories that they have to tell, and sometimes it's just as simple as like, ‘Man, I want more people to hear about this,’ and let's figure out what Black love experience you can be a part of so that you can share your journey.
(L-R) Shelah Marie, KJ Smith, and Egypt Sherrod.
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xoN: It seems like the Black Love Summit is coming at the perfect time, too. We’ve seen countless celebrity couples call it quits this year, and with the recent revelations about Will and Jada Pinkett Smith's marriage, Black love has been questioned. What do you want to say to those people who may feel that Black love is unattainable?
CO: I will say that Black love starts from self-love. It starts from within, and we're all on that journey, whether we are talking about Will and Jada. Like, I mean, I have a lot of thoughts in terms of these are two people who have shared at length in their books and have been vulnerable, you know, with the press and what is the common thread is a lot of personal history, right? From their relationships to their parents to their romantic relationships from high school and beyond. I think they're a perfect example of, like, looking at the whole person and how we show up in all of our relationships.
And if we don't have or understand self-love and self-awareness, then at some point, okay, it'll catch up to us, and not to spend too much time on them. But I feel like what Jada has articulated is that we looked up and we realized that we had a lot of work to do on ourselves. We weren't sure where we wanted to be and whether we wanted to be together, but they've made decisions that are theirs to make.
But it answers your question, really, I mean, outside of just them, is that Black love starts with self-love, and the sooner we understand what we want, what we need, and how we want to show up in relationships, the stronger and better our relationships will be with the people that we choose to bring into our lives. And so we, as a brand and with the Black Love Summit, you know, this is the sixth one, we work very hard to try to create the content, the experiences, the opportunities to draw out that self-awareness and that conversation in our community that says like, how are you showing up?
You know, how are you showing up, and how are you understanding your wants and your needs in relationships? Alone, and then in your relationships.
"I will say that Black love starts from self-love. It starts from within, and we're all on that journey."
xoN: Do you and Tommy ever feel pressure to be preeminent examples of Black love? If so, how do you deal with it?
CO: Yeah, he would say no (laughs). Tommy does not succumb to pressure of any kind. I would say not really. Sure, I've felt it ‘cause it's kind of a natural thing. You know, you put yourself out there a little bit. You say you know a little something, which we have so many blueprints from doing over 200 interviews with couples. We have so many blueprints that, sure, people might assume that we have it all figured out. And so I try to be very clear and transparent at every turn, that I don't. We don't.
We're on this journey trying to learn from others, trying to take what works for us and leave the rest, and trying to show up as our best selves individually and together. And so there's a little bit of that pressure, but for the most part, we don't have time to really look at it that way. We’ve had three kids, we're just trying to do the best that we can for each other for them. And I think that's all that anybody can ask for.
xoN: With social media nowadays, there’s so many conversations about love and dating. You know, different standards one is supposed to have in regard to dating. I don't know if you saw the viral $200 date and the most recent, The Cheesecake Factory first date debacle. What do you think people are getting wrong about dating, and what do you think the Black Love Summit can address with that?
CO: Yeah, well, I haven't seen that The Cheesecake Factory one. So I'll definitely look into that. But, I think that the Black Love Summit, the Black Love brand, like, we work to encourage our community to create authentic connection, right? That takes a little bit of vulnerability, and that takes a little bit of grace. And I think that some people hear that right? Grace.
Well, I’m not gonna accept this. This, that, or the other thing, and it's like, know your boundaries, but also recognize that people are human. I mean, that's why I go back to, like, it starts with self-love, recognizing you may be meeting someone who has a lot of potential but maybe doesn't even know their full potential. Or maybe it wasn't cultivated by their parents. We're all on a journey.
And so, for me, I think that what people may be getting wrong about dating is that they're often looking for some sort of perfect package right away. And if you're not a.) asking the questions to get the information that you want, right, and you're not showing up vulnerably yourself, then you're not creating an environment to really get to know someone, you're just looking at the superficial. What do they do? What do they wear? What are their answers to basic questions, you know, are you in therapy? Have you ever been in therapy? What do you think of therapy? How is your relationship with your family? Why or why not? Even just that answer doesn't necessarily tell you anything. Why? Why this, why that? Really spending time like getting to know someone, really understanding why somebody wants to go on the $20 date versus the $500 date, right? Maybe whatever, maybe they just got paid, maybe they bout to get paid, but they really wanted to be with you.
And so understanding why someone's making the decisions that they're making is really important. And so I just think that that's where the grace comes in, right? So, you know, and I think that social media creates an environment where we make a lot of snap judgments. People say however they feel in one sentence or less, and then there's a lot of bandwagon likes on that thing. And then we start to think, oh, that's popular opinion, when really people are just scrolling and clicking and scrolling and clicking.
They not thinking about you and your date, whether it was $20 or $500. They just got a little opinion and keep it moving. So I think to that end, we let a lot of other voices in when we don't really need to. You know what's best for you, but you have to be offering the same vulnerability and an expectation setting so that you can get that in return.
"We let a lot of other voices in when we don't really need to. You know what's best for you, but you have to be offering the same vulnerability and an expectation setting so that you can get that in return."
Codie Elaine Oliver (L) and Tommy Oliver (R).
Photo by Paras Griffin/Getty Images
xoN: You’ve been married for eight years, so what would you say is the biggest thing you learned about doing life with another person?
CO: I mean, going back to that grace thing for sure. Like, you gon’ have to do it when you're together. So you might as well (laughs) start now and understand what that looks and feels like, but I mean, I always say like the one thing that I know for sure. From interviewing 200+ couples and being married eight years, is that the work required in marriage? Everyone says marriage is work, marriage is work, and I think a lot of us are like, what does that mean? What kind of work? Oh, that sounds hard. But it's the work that you're willing to do on yourself.
You know, somebody else might have a different opinion. But for me, that is what I see, and what I feel like unequivocally is the work. And so for me, it's, you know, deciding whether or not to be in therapy individually, maybe together, maybe your partner doesn't want to do it. So you know, it's deciding whether or not that's for you. It's recognizing when you might be wrong but you mad at them about something. It's recognizing when they might be wrong, but they're never gonna admit it, and you've got to decide how much it's worth to you to make it a fight or hold on to it. And so it's that inner work that they may not even see. But that's what's going to help you, help anyone, I think, stay partnered with someone for a long time.
xoN: What’s next for the Black Love brand?
CO: More content, really. I mean, we launched the Black Love docuseries in 2017 and 2018, we launched blacklove.com and the first Black Love Summit, and with blacklove.com came several digital series from Couch Conversations, which at that time was hosted by Devale and Khadeen Ellis. The most recent season was hosted by Ace Hood and Sheilah Marie, and we've done ladies' roundtables, men's roundtables, moms with coffee. We launched a podcast network with eight podcasts on it. And so more of all of that in more places because we just joined TikTok a year ago I mean, the world is expanding in terms of where and how we can consume content. And we want to do our best to be a source of value and positivity and light for our community, but also calling us on our stuff, right?
We want to be that place where when life is hard, because it is, we, Black Love, is a place you can turn for a good laugh, a smile, a heartwarming, you know, family moment because that's Black. All of that is Black love. But we also want to be able to challenge the way people think and say. There was a meme recently that said somebody's not calling you because they owe you an apology. We want to be able to bring up, like, calling people on their stuff, right? This is what love looks like. Showing up, doing self-work, giving people grace. And so what's next is really just creating more content and more opportunities to do that digitally, TV, film.
And that's what you'll see more. In addition to more apparel, because we had some very cute sweatshirts last year. We have more stuff coming this year and beyond.
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London Alexaundria is the contributing editor for xoNecole. She is an alum of Clark Atlanta University, where she majored in Mass Media Arts and has worked in journalism for over ten years. You can follow her on Instagram and TikTok @theselfcarewriter
For Us, By Us: How HBCU Alumni Are Building Legacies Through Entrepreneurship
Homecoming season is here, and alumni are returning to the yard to celebrate with their friends and family at the historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) that have changed their lives forever.
No matter where their life journeys have taken them, for HBCU students from near and far, returning to where it all started can invoke feelings of nostalgia, appreciation for the past, and inspiration for the future.
The seeds for these entrepreneurs were planted during their time as students at schools like Spelman, North Carolina A&T, and more, which is why xoNecole caught up with Look Good Live Well’s Ariane Turner, HBCU Buzz’s Luke Lawal and Morehouse Senior Director of Marketing and Comms and Press Secretary Jasmine Gurley to highlight the role their HBCU roots play in their work as entrepreneurs, the legacy they aim to leave behind through the work that they do, and more as a part of Hyundai’s Best In Class initiative.
On Honoring HBCU Roots To Create Something That Is For Us, By Us
Ariane Turner
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When Ariane Turner launched Look Good, Live Well, she created it with Black and brown people in mind, especially those with sensitive skin more prone to dryness and skin conditions like acne and eczema.
The Florida A&M University graduate launched her business to create something that addressed topical skin care needs and was intentional about its approach without negative terminology.
Turner shared that it is important to steer clear of language often adopted by more prominent brands, such as “banishing breakouts” or “correcting the skin,” because, in reality, Turner says there is nothing wrong with the way that our skin and bodies react to various life changes.
“I think what I have taken with me regarding my HBCU experience and translated to my entrepreneurial experience is the importance of not just networking,” Turner, the founder and CEO of Look Good, Live Well, tellls xoNecole.
“We hear that in business all the time, your network is your net worth, but family, there’s a thing at FAMU that we call FAMU-lee instead of family, and it’s very much a thing. What that taught me is the importance of not just making relationships and not just making that connection, but truly working on deepening them, and so being intentional about connecting with people initially, but staying connected and building and deepening those relationships, and that has served me tremendously in business, whether it’s being able to reach back to other classmates who I went to school with, or just networking in general.”
She adds, “I don’t come from a business background. As soon as I finished school, I continued with my entrepreneurial journey, and so there’s a lot of that traditional business act and the networking, those soft skills that I just don’t have, but I will say that just understanding how to leverage and network community and to build intentional relationships is something that has taken me far and I definitely got those roots while attending FAMU.”
On Solving A Very Specific Need For The Community
Luke Lawal Jr.
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When Luke Lawal Jr. launched HBCU Buzz, his main focus was to represent his community, using the platform to lift as they climbed by creating an outlet dedicated to celebrating the achievements and positive news affecting the 107 historically HBCUs nationwide.
By spotlighting the wonderful things that come from the HBCU community and coupling it with what he learned during his time at Bowie State University, Lawal used that knowledge to propel himself as an entrepreneur while also providing his people with accurate representation across the internet.
“The specific problem in 2011 when I started HBCU Buzz was more so around the fact that mainstream media always depict HBCUs as negative,” Lawal says. “You would only see HBCUs in the mainstream media when someone died, or the university president or someone was stepping down. It was always bad news, but they never shed light on all the wonderful things from our community."
So, I started HBCU Buzz to ensure the world saw the good things that come from our space. And they knew that HBCUs grew some of the brightest people in the world, and just trying to figure out ways to make sure our platform was a pedestal for all the students that come through our institutions.”
“The biggest goal is to continue to solve problems, continue to create brands that solve the problems of our communities, and make sure that our products, our brands, our companies, and institutions are of value and they’re helping our community,” he continues. “That they’re solving problems that propel our space forward.”
On How Being An HBCU Alum Impacts The Way One Shows Up In The World
Jasmine Gurley
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Jasmine Gurley is a proud North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University alum. She is even more delighted with her current role, which enables her to give back to current HBCU students as the Senior Director of Brand Marketing and Communications and official press secretary at Morehouse College.
“It was a formative experience where I really was able to come into my own and say yes to all the opportunities that were presented to me, and because of that, it’s been able to open the doors later in life too,” says Gurley of her experience at North Carolina A&T. “One thing I love about many HBCUs is that we are required to learn way more about African American history than you do in your typical K through 12 or even at the higher ed level."
She adds, “It allowed us to have a better understanding of where we came from, and so for me, because I’m a storyteller, I’m a history person, I’m very sensitive to life in general, being able to listen to the stories and the trials that our ancestors overcame, put the battery pack in my back to say, ‘Oh nothing can stop me. Absolutely nothing can stop me. I know where I came from, so I can overcome something and try anything. And I have an obligation to be my ancestors’ wildest dreams. Simultaneously, I also have a responsibility to help others realize that greatness.
Gurley does not take her position at an HBCU, now as a leader, lightly.
“People think I’m joking when I say I’m living the dream, but I really am,” she notes. “So I wake up every day and know that the work that I do matters, no matter how hard it might be, how frustrating it may be, and challenging it. I know the ripple effect of my work, my team, and what this institution does also matter. The trajectory of Black male experiences, community, history, and then just American advancement just in general.”
On the other hand, through her business, Sankofa Public Relations, Gurley is also on a mission to uplift brands in their quest to help their respective communities. Since its inception in 2017, Sankofa PR has been on a mission to “reach back and reclaim local, national, and global communities by helping those actively working to move” various areas of the world, focusing on pushing things forward for the better.
“Through Sankofa, we’ve worked with all different types of organizational brands and individuals in several different industries, but I would think of them as mission-based,” says Gurley.
“So with that, it’s an opportunity to help people who are trying to do good in the world, and they are passionate about what they’re doing. They just need help with marketing issues, storytelling, and branding, and that’s when my expertise can come into play. Help them get to that moment where they can tell their story through me or another platform, and that’s been super fulfilling.”
Join us in celebrating HBCU excellence! Check out our Best In Class hub for inspiring stories, empowering resources, and everything you need to embrace the HBCU experience.
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Success Cities: Black Women Share The Places Where They Thrive
Several organizations and new sites release lists of the “best places for millennials," the “best places for young professionals,” or the "best cities for Black women." The lists offer options for many who are either seeking better opportunities or need that reminder that where they are is actually where it’s at. These lists also always prompt popular and frequent debates online about why a city is (or isn’t) what everyone popularly says it is.
It’s always good to be able to say that you’ve found a city where you can thrive in your career (and in your life overall), whether it’s because of the opportunities for jobs, places to visit and eat, nightlife, traditions, and culture, or family-friendly elements.
For me, this city is Negril, located in the Westmoreland parish of Jamaica. I fell in love with it seven years ago as someone who was only ever familiar with Kingston and its neighboring parishes. While I’ve lived and worked in major cities, including Washington, D.C., and Brooklyn, New York, my latest transition has set my sights on digital nomad island life.
Not only is Negril more than a tourist spot now, with a growing community of young professionals, millennial expats, and entrepreneurs, it has a nice mixture of cultures and people, affordable housing options, a range of restaurants and leisure experiences, entrepreneurship niches, and real estate investment opportunities. It’s slow enough to have a calming effect but not quite a snooze retirement spot where you're not right at the cusp of an adventure. And even better, it's not too far from a more bustling city (with nightlife, more restaurants, and even more entrepreneurs, professionals, and expats), Montego, Bay.
Negril is like a second home for me, as I visit often, keep major connections there, and find it ideal for my writing and editing career. I can connect more with my Caribbean culture and nature and embrace a peaceful, less hectic existence while there.
I caught up with a few more fabulous and successful women professionals to talk about the cities where they’ve found success, happiness, balance, and longevity and why they chose to stick around:
Nicole Blake-Baxter, Managing Director and Founder, The Blake Agency
Metro Atlanta Area, (Johns Creek, Ga.)
IG: @theblakeagency_
“I relocated to Atlanta about 10 years ago from Brooklyn, NY. I initially launched my media and marketing agency in New York City several years prior but rebranded and made a strategic shift to a full-service PR firm when I moved to Georgia."
Her Origins: "I was born in Kingston, Jamaica. I lived between the United States and Jamaica during my childhood and permanently moved to New York as a teen."
Why Atlanta? “My move to Atlanta was out of necessity; I needed a lifestyle change and felt I had outgrown the hustle and bustle of New York City. There’s a saying that ‘Discomfort is a catalyst for growth.’ In a short time, I went from trying to climb the corporate ladder to launching a business and becoming a mother. I was struggling to navigate motherhood and entrepreneurship, and that discomfort pushed me to seek out a new environment.”
“Relocating to Atlanta was the best decision for me personally and professionally. It provides a healthy balance of everything I need to raise happy and well-rounded children and grow a successful business. Although moving to a new city with no close friends or relatives can be unnerving, it made me more disciplined in my approach to entrepreneurship.”
What She Loves Most About Her City:Family-friendly environment, lower cost of living, business opportunities. “Many of our new business leads are tech founders and travel brands that want to work with an agency in the southern region.”
Jasmine Dary, Founder, Twisted Corks
Nashville, TN
IG @TwistedCorks
“Nashville is a big, but small-feel city. It’s the perfect place to be if you want to keep Southern roots without losing the big-town opportunities. It’s constantly growing, which I find to be exciting. There’s always something new happening here for the first time, and being part of this city’s early adopters for cool concepts and experiences is one of my favorite self-proclaimed roles. There’s also a unique and tight-knit entrepreneur community here. In addition to exciting career opportunities, I knew that I’d eventually want to thrive in entrepreneurship.”
Her Origins: “I was born and raised in Chattanooga, Tenn., and made my way to Murfreesboro after college until naturally progressing to Nashville to pursue career and business opportunities.”
Why Nashville? “I first moved to Nashville in 2012 to make a major career shift from higher education to corporate marketing in wine and spirits. Coming from a much smaller college town, I instantly fell in love with the city! This job became the catalyst for so many future opportunities and interests including starting my own company, Twisted Corks.
"I was thrown in the mix for some of the city’s biggest events and worked alongside some of the world’s largest spirits brands. This corporate experience plus genuine passion granted me credibility with even my earliest business clients.”
What She Loves Most About Her City:Family-friendly, community, events (like the Nashville Black Chamber happy hour), Programs (like the Nashville Entrepreneur Center’s Preflight program for new startups.) “I’m thriving here, but I’m definitely not doing it alone.”
Christen Rochon, National Account Executive, NBCUniversal
Detroit, Michigan
IG @CandidlyChristen
“Detroit is more than just a place to work—it’s a place where innovation, resilience, and culture are embedded in the fabric of daily life. What makes Detroit especially unique is its long-standing history as an industrial powerhouse, balanced with a fresh momentum in tech, arts, and small business development. In my career in marketing and media, I’ve come to see Detroit as an evolving ecosystem where diverse industries intersect, creating rich opportunities for growth and impact.”
Her Origins: “I’m a born-and-raised Detroiter, however, my career in broadcast and digital media has taken me to Charlotte, N.C., New York City, and Chicago.”
Why Detroit? “Detroiters know how to rebuild and innovate, and this grit translates into the professional landscape here. The city's thriving entrepreneurial scene fosters collaboration, and its well-connected business community continually encourages professionals to think creatively and work cross-functionally.”
“It’s a place where you can see firsthand how your work makes a difference, from witnessing the revitalizing neighborhoods to supporting the next generation of innovators. The opportunities for mentorship and giving back here are endless; I’ve been privileged to contribute through roles that support education, community engagement, and innovation—efforts that are deeply connected to Detroit’s story of transformation.
What She Loves Most About Her City: Vibrant seasons, close-knit communities, rich history, opportunities for growth, culture of entrepreneurial grit and service. “Detroit offers the potential for financial success and legacy building. As the eldest of 10, family is incredibly important to me, and returning to Detroit allowed me not only to be close to family but also be in a space to establish my own. Being part of Detroit’s evolution is exciting.”
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